Ref. Alex's comment below, I consider the rennaisance of our 1/32 line back in 2008 when we restarted our 1/32 figures in earnest. Since then we've seen a lot of accomplished painters send in their works to ETS, so keep them coming! (Check back a few years there were hardly any, now there's quite a lot.)
The standing pose: In our action packs there are usually 6 figures with the following poses: standing firing, standing loading, 2 advancing poses, and standing at the ready - and Napoleonics usually have blocks of men standing and/or marching.
Unless this is a light infantry set, we won't have any kneeling poses so that's pretty much it, unless you want to go for a casualty pose, which many people don't like either. If you want, you can suggest some more poses for the action set here.
Marching poses: So how many marching poses do you consider enough? Should a marching block of men be uniform in appearance or straggling? So many questions.....
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I would like to build up blocks of french marching and on the other side of the table have rows of British standing at attention.
A good thing about the attention pose for the Brits is that they could also be used to flesh out a square.
Rob C,
As far as the marching sets go, instead of the difference between figures being arm positions I would like to see one of the six figures be compatibly but differently uniformed. The marching long-coat Frenchman in the high gaiters is an example.
Looking back, one of the Prussians could have worn a greatcoat or not had a shako cover, possibly with a grenadier's plume.
Regarding the action set I prefer the advancing poses but the attention fellows can also be useful as a secondary pose for forming units. The shoulder arms version works better than the ground arms version since the look like they are about to advance. There should not be more than one attention pose on a sprue.
As an alternative I would not mind seeing the plug-arm Prussians repeated, particularly the one with his musket carried in front. Another possibility might be a running or charging pose.
Your policy on the kneeling poses is a good one. Please retain it. A British action set built solely around Waterloo squares would not be the most useful set that could be done.
Spent a few decades in the US Army. Biggest formations I saw march at one time were Brigades of 2-3K. They look very uniform with standouts usually attracting NCO attention pretty quickly. That said these were usually ceremonies lasting an hour. A napoleonic column marching for days would likely be in rout step most of the time and variations would be more accurate. Perhaps an occasional "eyes right" figure would add to the overall effect.
Scott M
Hi
Looking at the prussian box sets for refeerence.
I would sya the marching are spot on . I like the slight variety of pose - creates more animation whilst marching to a unit on the table rather than if all identical.
The action set is also ecxellent. Just not sure about the guy walking with gun held in left hand. No terribly screaming action to me. Maybe another advancing at the ready with pointy end of musket held forward lower maybe -charging would do nicely. Beware one leg raised chargers!
cheers
Alex Draper
ps Going to have to get lots of prussians soon I think.
@Rahway, the problem with having differently uniformed guys is that they wouldn't match unless it was done historically. For example, the Prussian grenadier plume was only worn on dress occasions, the grenadiers being distinguished from musketeers by facing color on campaign.
@Alex, the Prussian guy advancing with musket in right hand is a historical pose, it even has a name, advancing ________ something or other, someone help me out here, I've forgoten it.
I do like the Prussian set, out of all the new ones so far I think it's the most proportionate anatomically.
ok - I can live with it (Advancing) but It looked like it would suit being in the marching set more than the action/conflict set - just a thought.
"At Trail" is the phrase I believe.
And yes, it was used a lot from the references I have, so I like it as a pose. And I am sure he will ned up with the artillery as well, carrying things :-)
The standing pose - I love that, but only for my Old Guard. the Zvezda box has a perfect example - it matches my image for these (the famour painting with Napoleon reviewing the guard, and an enthusiastic guy calling out).
But i will use them, even for Prussians, as they rank up nicely.
I love to arrange a rank of standing or more at ease guys (even loading) standing behind a row of more action posed figures.
@Marc, you are right, it's called advancing at the trail. Re. artillery there was a forumer FISH, who posted a lot of converted Prussian inf into artillerymen pics on the open forum, I wish he'd send them to ETS.
I think that you should be releasing a set of casualty figures. I think that this would flesh out the releases. I find it incredible with the amount of manufacturers you there, that there are hardly any casualties poses. I think three figures lying on the ground and three in the process of being hit would be a good mix. It could be priced the same as the command sets.
I like casualty poses, too. I also agree that the marching mix is about right.
Just a thought, don't know if it's practical or not but two distinct action sets would be nice; a "Firing Line" set with poses in the various acts of shooting and/or re-loading and "Attack" set with advancing, at ready poses, perhaps even a casualty pose thrown in. Just throwing it in there for thought.
If you want I can contact Fish and tell him you'd like him to send some of his pix to ETS.
I like 2 firing guys 3 advancing 1 loading .
no at attention no dead guys
I am with Anth on the pose mix
Alex Draper
I like the idea of having casualty's
however there's not much out there.
1.Timpo Highlander getting shot in face
{simply fantastic}
2.CTS mexican can be painted as French
3.Conte Mexicans 2 dead guys clumped together.
I would like to have casaulty's for Russians
for when i set up a Borrodino.
also some British dead for inside the Sqauares.
Rob C
@Anth
We typically match one firing guy with one loading guy so they would be a pair, especially when you put them in a line. How would 2 firing guys and a single loading guy work? It would only work in skirmish situations.
@Casualty figures - we have requests on and off for that, but I think it would be a low selling set. You can have a column of standing or marching guys, a line of firing or advancing guys, but a bunch of dead guys? Maybe for WWI scenarios...
Hatblogger are you saying no one died during the Napoleonic wars? :)
Rob C,
for wargames casulaty models are uesful for diordered states etc - need a dead horse too but I have seen them on web somewhere...
@Rob C, I'm saying that I've seen loads of ETS contributions where there are loads of marching, advancing and firing men, but I've never seen an ETS contribution with loads of dead guys.
Hatblogger,
Standing pose: As you stated at the start of this thread is a standard pose of the 6 poses. Which is fine but you get 2 in the 7YW Prussian Action set, what happened to the Standing at ready pose?
Regarding the loading pose could he be posed as loading under fire, more actively, than just standing. All action sets not just 7YW.
The 'kneeling to repel' pose would be required for anyone trying to make up a British Square. Although I am not an expert on the subject, I don't think the square works without the first line kneeling, not as easy to stop a horse standing up. I would think that others would like this pose and the ability to create a square for display purposes. Many of the metal collectors buy them to make up a shelf display showing two sides of a square and I don't see why the plastic collector shouldn't be able to do the same. Not everyone is a wargamer.
I would like the 'advancing at trail' to be a standard pose in place of the standing at attention.
Casualty poses have there place, but I would put them in to fill up a command set. As, like the command set, you would not need too many of them. Although a set of combined Napoleonic dead guys might sell , priced the same as a Command pack ,with one each for the various sets -
1 X French
1 X Bavarian
1 X Prussian
1 X Russian
1 X Austrian
1 X British
Plus 6 X seperate muskets, 6 X Backpacks, 6 X Heads, which can be used on the live guys to make them different - example: Bare Head with moustache, Bare head clean shaven, head with bandage, Bare head shouting,etc. And whatever else can be fitted in to make the other sets more pesonal, example: gourd waterbottle, food to hang off pack, etc.
Two cents worth over.
Dave M
All the King's Men selks bags of 12 plastic dead figures in two poses intended to be used as markers with their AWI and War of 1812 wargame rules.
For anyone not making squares the kneeling at ready figure is a most problematic pose. The excess number of kneeling poses is one of the weaknesses of the AIP sets. I would rather retain the attention pose than go with that one or a casualty.
TSSD just put out a set of US cavalry casualties aimed at people dong Custer's Last Stand. I wonder how they are doing with that?
There is another pose called running at the trail that is much more active than marching at the trail and a very old traditional toy soldier pose. One of Britains' first infantry sets in 1893 was a set of the Black Watch running at the trail, using plug hands with rifles and a sword for the officer.
Rahway,
The figures made by AKTM are RESIN as far as I am aware and his fighting guys are metal, so not relevent to the plastic collector.
Yes, I do understand that the kneeling to repel pose is problematic for some and not for others, as is the standing at Attention pose.
However a compromise has to be made to fit everyones colecting interest, so what's the solution? One of each :)
Can a square be created without having a kneeling pose, what do wargemers do, I have seen differing views on this issue.
Yes, I agree AIP have too may kneeling poses especially now that they have gone down to 8 poses instead of 10, also think they have too many firing poses, the 95th Rifles set ,for example, has 5 out of 8, so 15 out of 24 in a full set.
Interested to see what happens with the new TSSD set too.
The 'Running at trail' pose works for me, but I have seen views expressed that some don't like poses with one leg off the ground. Don't you think that 'advancing at the trail', suggests more than just walking ?
Dave M
I,d also like to see some dead and wounded figures and a bit more action in the action sets. I know that a lot of you guys are War gamers but I,m sure that there are a lot of others that have no interest in war gaming buying these figures also and doing some large scale dioramas like myself that would like to see some of these types of poses.
Maybe the next command set that has an extra space could see a dead or wounded figure instead of an extra repeated figure/figures like the Wuttenburg jager command set had.
I,ve converted a few wounded and dead figures and think a wounded figure is easier to convert then a dead figure so I,d like to see a few dead figures. I,ve used parts from those TSSD cavalry figures to make some wounded Prussians.
I would post some pictures of my Prussian artillary conversions on ETS if I knew how????
Let me know how and I,ll give it a try??? But I have to find the pictures again I dumped them from my computer onto a disk so I,ll have to find the disk first.
I wish this blog was like a regular forum so we could post pictures and share our work and ideas with each other here!
Over at TreeFrog treasures Forum there is a section in the plastics for HAT and I posted all those conversions over there and posted pictures of them in the ruff stages of being worked on and also I have a few threads I started about conversions. I wish this blog was more like a forum so we could share our work and conversion ideas.
Here is the link to the Hat Prussian conversions I did wich not only includes the artillary ones but also more action poses dead and wounded extra. I hope you guys enjoy and feel welcome to join in on the forum and share your work and thoughts also!!!
http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21847
Kepp the napoleonics coming and remember the british were not the only ones who formed square to repel cavalry????
FISH!!!!
@FISH, if you want your pics posted on ETS you can e-mail them to the hat picture address found on the HaT website (Contact page).
You can still post your pics here but posting the link to them on your posts.
@all, OK, let's give casualties a try!
I will pass on casulaties. Sorry
After the British :), I don't mind casualties but not before.
Got lots of Red paint to use up :)
Dave M
The red paint will work great on the dead and wounded figures also, don,t worry about the British!!! LOL!!!
FISH!!! <"))))><
FISH!!!,
Good point, but no reason to have British Casualties if I can't get any live ones to fight the French:)
Like your work, been looking at it for a few years on Treefrog. Nice stuff!!!
Dave M
I will buy plenty of casualy figures. The more the better.
Thanks Dave, You should join Treefrog along with the rest of you guys and build up the plastic member base over there. They made a section now just for Hat figures.
Hat blogger you should post new releases over there when they come out! Most of the metal makers are on the forum over there and they push there lines and answer customer questions and let us know whats coming ang going on.
Now back to this British issue??? For YEARS NO ONE made anything other then British napoleonic figures for the french to fight!!! Well other then a few badly made figures like timpo and most still just still centered around Waterloo.
I loved the way Hat avoided going the same route and is filling in the missing gaps that have been missing for YEARS!!!
That said I would like to see some gaps filled with the British but then that would open the can of worms for other long missing troops and the lists go on!!!!
Portuguese
Cazadores
Spanish Guerillas, With fighting Monk of course
How about a mule pack with supplies????
A set of wounded mules!! LOL!!!!
ect.. ect...
What a black hole Napoleonics are.
Then onto the smaller German armies!!!
I wouldn,t mind seeing some earlier style british stove pipe shako figures for spain and also some good highlanders.
FISH!!!
<")))))><
'Nail on the Head' there, that's exactly what I am waiting for someone to do the Peninsular campaign in Spain, which had nothing to do with Waterloo, so has been neglected by the previous manufacturers.
As Hat are intending on doing the Spanish Infantry soon, I'm hoping I will live long enough to see the 'Stovepipe' shako British, Highlanders, Spanish Guerrilas (Yeh!!), Portugese Cazadores, French Vistula Lancers, French Dragoons (foot and Mounted) and maybe a good set(for a change:)) of British 95/60th Rifles. A supply Mule with packs and various bundles would be GREAT!!
The other 'Napoleonic?' period that interests me is the American War of 1812, so a good set of centre company Brits could be easily converted into US troops, and of course Highlanders at New Orleans.
Ah! Well I can dream :)can't I :)
Dave M
P.S. You should feed your Fish more often I can see it's ribs!! LOL!!!
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