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Any Cavalry at this stage would be nice.
But i would start with the basics.
Scots Greys with bearskins {please no covers} on them.
And French Heavy Cavalry are a must have.
just my 2 cents worth.
Dragoons of Austria/Bavaria/Russia
French Chasseurs.
Britisch/French were already covered by Italery and A Call To Arms, more of that would be overkill.
wish list
set 1 - Scots Greys/Heavy British Dragoons
set 2 - French Cuirassiers/Carabiniers
set 3 - French Hussars (different headress options)
set 4 - French Light Cavalry (chasseurs)
set 5 - British /Hanoverian Hussars
set 6 - Russian Cuirassiers/Dragoons
set 7 - Saxon Heavy Cavalry
set 8 - Bavarian Cavalry
set 9 - British Light Dragoons 1812-15
just my 10pence worth
Regards
9th
9th some good choices.
Dirk the ACTA are very good but they are small in scale [and yes i have mine based on 2mm thick steel bases}.
The problem is you cant have them next to the Italeri light Cav sets.
Thats why i think hat size Heavy's would be the way to go.
ACTA scots greys look way to week.
ok now i have chiped in 4 cents...at this rate i will go broke :).
As we are commemorating the 200 aniversary of the Peninsular war, want cavalry for this campaing, including Portuguese Line Cavalry :-)
Austrian Dragoons and Cuirassiers.
Same for Russians.
Or anything not currently being done by anyone else.
Horse furniture - French shared several types - so sheepskins used for hussars and chasseurs/lancers. Sheepskins and shabraque for heavy cavalry. Plain cloth (pointed ends) for officers, guard chasseurs etc.
the plain cloth could be used for some other nations (ie Austrian uhlans, Russian hussars etc).
As to figures - a cuirassier would be good - head swaps make carabinier. Hussars made by italeri. Dragoons also. A good set of French guard lancers (which could then serve as other nation uhlans no doubt).
If you go for Brits - then heavy with head swaps should cover most options.
I lose my way on Russian, Prussian and Austrian heavy cavalry, but if there are ranges that share similiarities then they must be head of the queue - ie Austrian cuirassiers and cheveau-leger. What I am thinking is what is the barest bones we could ask for that would have widest applications with paintwork and maybe headswaps?
Russian & Austrian Dragoons and Cuirassiers.
Ulans
French Chassurs
Ulans
Russian hussars
Austrian Dragoons and Cuirassiers
prussien hussars of dead
I would like to see Austrian and Russian Dragoons and Cuirassiers first, to go with the infantry Hat is making. Prussian, Bavarian and Spanish Dragoons would be welcome but not as much a priority.
The various Hussars could probably handled with a common body and multiple heads.
Since Waterloo has been covered, although it could all be improved upon, any British should be for the Peninsula: Light Dragoons in Tarletons; Heavies in Bicornes; KGL Hussars.
There is room for a really good set of French Cuirassiers but if you are considering Carabiniers please do the early ones in bearskin bonnets, without armor.
And don't forget the Mounted Infantry officer sets.
French Chasseurs and Heavy cavalry (including Guard)
Austrian Hussars, Dragoons and Cuirassiers
Prussian landwehr cavalry and death head hussars
Russian Cuirassiers
Polish lancers could also work as Uhlans for most powers
Rob,
The Scots Greys only saw action in the Waterloo battle and 1794. Compared to the other 20 years of continual battles, they are neglectable.
French Cuirrasiers/lansers are also available with CTS as Mexican cavalry. Also the old Timpo figures are still available, so uhlans or imperial lansers can still be found, as are Prussians.
Remains as never made before from the major factions : Russians/Austrians/Bavarians
Dirk
Austrians , Russians , Wurtembergers and Prussians . All types of cavalry needed but start with dragoons and cuirassiers
dirk - surely the Scots Greys would be a head swap for other Brit dragoons.
But, please excuse me if I say the old Timpo figures are not worth considering. I really what to push HaT to make "proper" napoleonic cavalry, with not too many compromises if possible. So the more head swaps, shared horses the better I reckon.
In case anyone forgot, HaT already make French Dragoons in 1/32. So the natural follow up would be Austrian, Prussian, or Russian dragoons (listed in order of my own preference).
I know HaT started developing Peninsular British dragoons several years ago, making them a good candidate for production in 1/32. However, the Royal Scots Greys are already over-represented relative to their service record, so I don't think HaT should contribute to the excess.
Better to make figures for the soldiers who did the bulk of the fighting. Austrian Hussars would make attractive figures, Prussian Cuirassiers or Russian Dragoons would also be welcome.
my second try today! (and thanks to HÄT).
Just saying that so much is not there in a satisfying quality that it would be easier to find out what we do not need.
My personal favorite as always les chasseurs au cheval de la garde, in 1805-dress, not in the more dull green like in Revell 1/32.
Just speculating about strategy: should selection be at random? What do you like? or following a specific theme, e.g. the campaign of 1805 (meaning French Russians and Austrians), or 1806, or the common 1815? We are soon in 2012, so 1812 will certainly be an option as is Wagram 1809.
1/32 is definitely very suited to dioramas, and following a specific theme will make it possible to do some interesting dioramas. Wargaming will of course also benefit from such a decision.
Lemche
Scots Greys please... head swaps to a box of British Heavy Dragoons/Dragoon Guards - if any of you have stood in the Scots Greys museum at Edinburgh castle and stared at the eagle of the French 45th Line then you would experience the legend of this cavalry regiment.
Great unique uniform too with the bearskin (please without cover for a bit of swank!)
Regards
9th
I vote for 1812 Russian cuirassiers and then maybe some Prussian/Austrain heavy cavalry. And make sure that they are not made to small!!! Heavy cavalry were large men on large horses. Some french Cuirassiers and some Uhlan lancers would be great also.
Bavarian cavalry and if artillery were done this would be the first 1/32 scale army represented in full. As for british an 1812 on dragoons but not the greys again. Why not include seperate heads for dragoons household and greys? Some decent french line chasseurs would be nice or maybe some line lancers? Somthing not a one off uniform/regiment.
Not that I dont want to see some French havey cavalry Like Cuirassiers and Carabiniers but I think that Hat would not made these ones because of the fact other Companies already did. Same for the Scots Greys, French Chasseurs would be nice in Campaign dress maybe French Lancers of the guard (Dutch and Polish) Russian Heavy Cavalry and Austrians to?
For me personaly It doesent matter which set they make, If there good posses in and if they make a command set to I'll buy it ;)
As others have suggested, for at least the first sets I would make figures that were easily converted by painting and head swaps. Curassiers with extra heads? British Horse Guards (ditto), Polish Lancers/Uhlans (I know I've done paint conversions with ESCI's set many times over in 1/72). After those bases have been covered one can move on to the more exotic sets. As far as I'm concerned, with just a few exceptions, 1/32 scale is a largely uncharted country as far as quality sets are concerned and compared to 1/72 scale.
Cavalry is even worse with most sets being either too small, of poor quality, or grossly inaccurate (and mind you, I've never been that much of a button counter, though I do want my guys to be "right.").
Should not forget to ask about 7YW cavalry.
Not mush seen of those yet by any manufacturer, and with the infantry comming...
Actually, and I know it is my personal pref, but I would much prefer HaT to concentrate on one era, so for me it is Napoleonic, not 7YW - sorry.
Would the French line chasseur uniform with head and weapon swaps serve as line lancers and late dragoons, or am I being too ambitious?
But picking up an earlier thread - if HaT would concentrate on one period - say 1806-1809 that would be a great help - it is such a mess at the moment, with Italeri making Austrian infantry and Scots Greys - seriously, what are they thinking!!!!
I use my units to wargame with. What cavalry would most likely accompany a couple of infantry brigades?
French:
Chausseurs
Lancers
Dragoons (have HaT and Italeri)
Hussars (Italeri)
Wurttemberg:
Light Dragoons/Jaegers
Bavarian:
Dragoons/Hussars
Prussians:
Dragoons (Liwetka)/Hussars
Russians:
Dragoons/Hussars/Cossacks
First 4 requests:
French Chausseurs
Bavarian Dragoons
Wurttemberg Light Dragoons
Prussian Dragoons
scott
What? No Cossacks? You can't have Naps. without Cossacks!
Not sure how useful on a standard table top engagement cossacks would be - more of a strategic asset?
Ok - another thought.
H - why not do one cavalry unit as a starter per army - and perhaps start with the nations you are currently doing. Bavarian, Wuttemburg, French, then as each new nation appears do a set for them. And if it is to be one set only intitially - go for the most mainstream unit you can, ie dragoons, chevau-legers, uhlans or hussars.
And, I think we need to stop saying that Italeri makes dragoons and hussars etc. They are out of production.
Any Austrian, Russian and Prussian cavalry will be perfect. There is no need for French or British cavalry, there are enough sets out from Italeri, ACTA and Toyway-Timpo. Not all people like Waterloo or Peninsula, Europe is a big Continent.
I think you can build some cavalry units using some master molds of bodies, heads and horses.
A) Bodies
1) Hussar (pellise worn & slung)
2) British dragoon
3) Kurta jacket
4) French dragoons / chasseurs
5) Curasiers
B) Heads
1) French hussar (diferent shakos), Brunswick, busby… Austrian, Russian and Prussian
2) Dragoons (French, horseguards, lifeguards, scots greys) Austrian, Russian and Prussian
3) French lancers, Duch lancers, Bicornes,
4) French dragoons, guard cavalry,
5) Curassiers, carabiniers,
c) Horses (rearing, charging, running, falling & standing)
1) Sabretache saddle
2) British saddle dragoon
3) Fur saddle
4) French currassiers/carabiniers
These combiantions can give you a endless napoleonic cavalry army,
Also you can give a box with 6 riders (different posses) & 6 horses (different posses) + 12 heads to build.
For explample: A1+C1+B1 = FRENCH HUSSARS
A3+C3+B3 = FRENCH LANCERS
A1+C1+C1 = PRUSSIAN HUSSAR
Thank you very much
for the next generation cavalry would it be possible to have more arms in the box. arm with a flag, with a sword, a spear ect ..
Concering 7YW cavalry : they can be used for Prussia untill 1806, for Spannish and Saxony untill 1809. Hussars with merliton (seperate hats with napoleonic hussars) .....
Tricorne as an optional hat for Napoleonic dragoons....
I guess, as you all can see from the lack of posts on this subject, that it is just too risky of a venture at this time to do any 1/32 cavalry. Obviously, there is just no demand for a product of this type. And I was really looking forward to....
Opening this up to anonymous postings has made this blog totally worthless. Anyone can post 2 or 3 times to support their position. I suggest you discard anonymous posts. If they care enough to make their opinion heard they should care enough to register.
ANY French Guard Cavalry and/or Carabinier would be great!! Cuirassiers as well.............also Austrian or Russian cavalry of any kind
anonymous post:
Guess my fault. But people can sign their posts, and should. It could be a demand, or the post will be removed. Just a suggestion
Lemche
While I like many of the options above I am still left thinking that Russian or Austrian Cuirassiers or Dragoons should be a starting point. One way or another I believe that British (Waterloo) cavalry have had a fair run. Whether these are all up to today's standards or not may be debateable but I'd see something as preferable to nothing and nothing is what is available in terms of Russian or Austrian, and even Prussian cavalry (notwithstanding Timpo's effort on the latter).
Thanks
Neila
My choice is as follows-
-Bavarian cavalry
-Wurt.cavalry
-Cossacks
-Prussian dragoons\Landwehr cavalry
-French cuirrasiers
The choice could be between something usual, like French chasseurs of the line (I do not know how many regiments), and something really special -- for a starter: To get people used to look for HÄT cavalry; something worth painting.
Sorry to Pedja, I do not think that Bavarian cavalry will sell a lot, if it was the first set. Neither cavalry from Würtenberg.
There must be something really smashing and the French curassiers will always be a hitter. I 1/72 we this year had two niw sets of these big men, from Legio and Zvezda, and I believe that they sell.
But again and to repeat myself, it might be worth to concentrate on a single battle, like Austerliz with an enormous variety of possibilities: French-Austrian-Russian.
Another possibility for HÄT to consider is to begin with some mounted officers for their infantry.
Lemche
PS: I do hope that Pedja (and others) will not think that I reject their choices. But as first choices, I believe that HÄT has to be very careful.
No sorry at all, start with anything is better than nothing (except 1\32 Hat French Dragoons)
Pedja
Hi - French Cuirassiers with spare heads to convert to Carabiniers will be the first set I reckon - they will be very popular
9th
Bavarians are also ok for me.
Is it would not sell than Bavarian infantry wouldn't sell also.
Dirk
Thank you for the comments. We will continue to monitor this thread and collate all the ideas together.
Russian Dragoons,Cuirassier, Chassuers and Uhlans.
Prussian Dragoons, Landwehr Lancers, Uhlans, Hussars.
Austrian anything.
Hi - just be careful with plastic lances for Uhlans as they need to be rigid hard plastic - soft plastic can be a problem as the paint may flake / chip if too bendy. I use old Timpo/Britains spare parts lances found on a sprue with mediaeval swords on ebay etc... These are rigid and allow the fixing of paper pennons to the tops below the spike
9th
Just curious but how far away will the 1st Cav set be?
Have any drawings started?....sorry to be pushy but we 1/32 guys are starved for some Cav,
Hello all,
I have just discovered this Blog and have started with a comment on the current Artillery thread.
I hope it is not too late to add to this one.
So here is my 2 cents worth.
Mould #1 - 4 horses with four different types of furniture - Sorry don't know the correct terminology yet, but I think you know what I mean.
1. Sheepskin with half cloth
2. Sheepskin with wolfsteeth edge
3. Full cloth cover with pointed ends
4. Saddle with pistol holsters and half cloth.
Looking at other manufacturers product it seems practical to get 4 horses in one mold.
The horse pose could be the same for all to aid sculpting and cut costs in this respect.
With these horse types many cavalry sets can be produced.
This is just a quick list and it will correspond with some other posts.
Horse # 1 - French Cuirassiers/Carabiniers
Belgian Carabiniers
Bavarian Garde Du Corps
Spanish Coraceros
Horse # 2 - French Line Chassuers/Lancers
Prussian Chassuers
Horse # 3 - Polish/Dutch/Berg/Bavarian
/Brunswick Lancers
Russian Hussars
Bavarian Hussars
Bavarian Chevua leger
Prussian Hussars
Horse # 4 - Early French Dragoons,
Carabiniers, elite Gendarmes,
Horse Grenadiers.
Italian Royal Dragoons.
With some spare heads in the figure packs that would be a minimum of 14 sets.
I think the best starter set would be Uhlans/Lancers as they all basically look the same and can be painted in many many different ways for different armies. If they come with covered Czapska with spare heads with the cords/plumes then this would given the maximum use out of the one mold.
The initial outlay is
one mold for horses
one mold for the Uhlans
one mold for Cuirasiers
These three molds will give cavalry types for
France,Belgium,Bavaria, Spain, Poland, Berg,
Holland, Russia and Prussia.
Extra Heads would have to be included within the two figure molds to enable all the country types to be made but I still think this would atainable. With this outlay.
The horses left in the mold not used yet are the starting point for the next wave of cavalry which could utilise the next outlay for two more figure molds at that time.
What does evryone think especially Hatblogger?
Dave M
AIP solved the problem by having 'blank' horses and the saddle/shabraque on the rider - have you considered this approach? That way one set of horses works for all - maximum use from the expensive extra mold.
Mike B
@Mike B, yup, considered and discarded. We found lots of problems with that, eg. poor fit of riders/saddles/horses, incorrect horse tack, etc. The biggest problem being incorrect halters, reins, bits, harnesses, martingales, and breastplates. But you just gave me an idea! Thanks!
@Dave M, post of the week!
Basically I want options to cover heavy and light cavalry types in all major nations - I am a wargamer.
Alex
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